Post War Walther Pp Serial Numbers
- Walther started up their own re-manufacturing of the PP line in 1985/1986. They also started a new serial number sequence, For the PP the serial numbers started at 700,001 and the the PPK at 800,001. Based on the serial number that you gave here, I'm guessing that the.
- Walther started up their own re-manufacturing of the PP line in 1985/1986. They also started a new serial number sequence, For the PP the serial numbers started at 700,001 and the the PPK at 800,001. Ron James, Feb 6, 2007 #7.
The serial number is located on the frame. Lower pistol is early post war production. The last three numbers of the serial number are repeated on the slide and on the barrel. Photo Author For purposes of clarity, the post war commercial aluminum framed P.38s made in Germany at the Walther plant in Ulm and so marked, will be referred to as P.38.
The serial number parallel to the grip on the right hand side is 15950 I believe. The approximate range of serial numbers for Walther PP's produced during the war(1939-1945) are 155501P to 3906xxP. Your serial number with the ac (Walther mfg code) falls in the late war, 1945 production period. Walther used serial numbers ranging from 1 to 10,000. Ppk Serial Number List Walther P1 Serial Number Age. The firm started over at 1 when the number 10,000 was reached. To ensure that every pistol had a unique serial number, the Germans added a suffix letter. The letter went up one character each time the serial number once more started at 1. Walther P22 Serial Number Dates. Walther PP 32 Serial # and/or date code Discussion in 'Curio & Relic Zone' started by YamahaWR200. I have a Walther PP 32acp made in France. The Mahurin factory as you probably already know. Anyway I cannot find any date codes or anything on the gun.
They also started a new serial number sequence, For the PP the serial numbers started at 700,001 and the the PPK at 800,001. Walther Ppk Serial Numbers Date While you can find out about a weapon's origins is through law enforcement channels (i.e. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, or the ATF), it is possible to find out. Small correction to number sequence, in March 1970 I bought a 35D/L serial number 396394, so would suggest number 400000 to be late 1970/early 71. HTH Alec Firstly a request for any more Walther numbers to fill in some of the gaps.
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- Walther PP 32 Serial # and/or date code Discussion in 'Curio & Relic Zone' started by YamahaWR200. I have a Walther PP 32acp made in France. The Mahurin factory as you probably already know. Anyway I cannot find any date codes or anything on the gun. The serial number parallel to the grip on the right hand side is 15950 I believe.
- The approximate range of serial numbers for Walther PP's produced during the war(1939-1945) are 155501P to 3906xxP. Your serial number with the ac (Walther mfg code) falls in the late war, 1945 production period.
- If you have any trouble locating the serial number for any reason, you can bring the gun into your local gun shop for help. Pick up a copy of either E.J. Hoffschmidt's 'Know Your Walther PP & PPK' or Gene Gangarosa's 'The Walther Handgun Story: A Collector's and Shooter's Guide.' Either one of these books will contain an index of serial numbers for Walther guns.
Some PP's have a second serial number on the right side of the slide, forward of the ejection port. Additionally some pistols were shipped with two magazines serial numbered to the gun. Walther factory markings were generally found on the left side of the slide.
Walther Ppk/s Serial Number Dates
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Walther Ppk Serial Number Manufacture Dates
Serial numbering for the PP pistol started at #75,000 (1929)
PPK production started shortly after that (maybe late 31 or '32) and used the same serial number range as the PP model.
When ser#'s reached 1,000,000 for each Model,the numbers were started over again at the 100,000,plus the addition of a 'P' suffix on the PP and a 'K' suffix on the PPK.
(A few thousand run of PPk's were ser#'d with so called 7 digit numbers (million series),no suffix letter. There's always an exception isn't there.
I don't have a ser# chart handy,it's some where in the stack. But I'd agree that with the ser# (assuming it does or SHOULD have the 'K' suffix ,1940 or 41 would be a good guess.
The high polish blue and fine fit and overall finish was still in order at that time. It wasn't long after that shortcuts started to show but they were gradual at first.
Commercial proofs would be in order. At about that time the German Gov't proof mark was being changed to the Eagle/N for nitro proof.
4/1/40 was the date that the old German Crown/N nitroproof mark was elliminated and replaced with the Eagle/N.
That can help date the pistol to either side of that date. But realize that changes didn't happen overnight, on time or in any
perfect order.
Another mark to look for if not a German Military issue weapon (no WaffenAmpt),would be possible German Police Issue.
A tiny Eagle/L or Eagle/C marking is all there was. Sometimes on the frame on the left side right under the mag release,or in that area.
May also be on the slide, on the right side usually.
Any of the proof, Military issue or (Nazi) Police markings would be marked/stamped thru the original finish,not before it was blued.
Check the magazine to see if it is perhaps #'d to the pistol.
On the finger extension, the serial number was often pantograph engraved into that extension. Sometimes stamped into the mag body on either side or even the spine of the mag.
Not a lot of hard and fast rules however!
I'll see if I can find that list.
(I've got that book, but I don't recall a ser# chart in it,unless it was an addendum page and I lost it. I'll check it anyway)
Added.
I found a listing of ser#'s from the old Walther board. I think it's been published in a book so I won't post it.
It says PPK mfg in 1940 as betw ser#'s 262,xxx and 307,2xx (all with a suffix K)
Any production year/ser# lists for the PPk and PP are based on old records outside of Factory production records, those no longer exist AFAIK. In other words they are an educated guess, but in most cases fairly accurate.
Hope this helps,
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Post-war volume I Post-war parts gun, two guns in .30 Luger, and a high-polish gun. | Late date AC framevariation. Warren Buxton calls these the 'oddballs of oddballs.' Who made these - and when? | byf44 FN slide. | Post-war volume II P38 surplus, P1 surplus, P38 commercial, and P4 surplus guns. |
Consecutive serial number SVW-45s. | Consecutive serial number SVW-46s. | Post-warP38 in 7.65mm Parabellum. | East German P.38s. Reworked wartime ac40, ac44, and an East German manufactured gun. |
Steel frame P38from Earl's Repair Service. | ac45 matching 'c' block. | Post-warP.38 in 5.6mm (.22 LR). | A Zero series and 'a' prefix Spreewerkreworked for use in post-war East Germany. |
The Czechoslovakian Vz46. | byf44 police issue with British markings. | Commemorative '100 Jahre' P38marking the 100th year anniversary of Walther. | Unknown BTH12 marking on several P.38s. |
Norwegian military surplus P38. | Mixmaster P.38 with WW2 German, East German, Czech, and British markings. | The ultra-rare 'ac no-date' - and how to spot a fake. | Some things you can do to a P.38. Please don't! WARNING: disturbing! |
French Mausers 1945 to 1946. | Gotterdammerung - some pistols from the last months of the war. | Another version of the late date AC frame pistol. |
Pistol Information
An excellent article by Peter Kokalis on thewartime P.38 pistolcan be found here, and another article on thepost-war P38here.
My post-war pistol has no date or date code - about when was it manufactured? You can get a rough estimate based upon these observed pistols.
Need to replace a broken WW2 slide part with a post-war part, and don't know if the new part will fit? Read the slide part compatibility guide. Note: this information is intended as a guide only. I am not a gunsmith. If you do not have working knowledge of the P.38 pistol, consult a competent gunsmith before attempting to effect repairs to your P.38.
Over the long term, will oil cause bakelite grips to deteriorate? An attempt to find out startshere.And continuesafter one year... and finally ends at three plus years.
Atarian's quick reference magazine guide.Helps to identify which magazine is correct for your pistol.
Atarian's post-war reproduction and aftermarket grip guide.Some of the currently available non-World War II grips for the P.38.
Can a 'dipped' pistol be 'un-dipped?' The answer is yes, and quite successfully. Take a look atzero series cyq serial number 030.
Drawings and Manuals
P38 Owner's Manual (multilingual - 4.8 MB). P38 Owner's Manual v2 (multilingual - 6.2 MB). P38 Operating Instructions (multilingual - 1.2 MB, source: Walther Germany). P38 Owner's Manual (1 MB, source: Interarms(?)). P38 Owner's Manual (edited for clarity - Thanks to Quentin for providing this).
German military drawings of the 9mm Patrone: page 1, page 2, page 3, and page 4.
P.38 manual from 1940 (German) - Thanks to Johan and Ron Clarin for providing this.
P.38 illustrated parts breakdown (German - 95KB, source: Walther Germany).
Explanation of the markings on a post-war P38/P1 (source: Federal Foreign Office – Division 241, Germany).
Time Wasters
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Auction Antics - Fantastic stories and overpriced pistols:
Most expensive P.38 ever listed (this was a typo...) |
Second most expensive P.38 (...that this genius later referenced!) |
Best story/crappiest p.38 ever? |
Articles and Advertisements
Information on the P.38from the 2008 Walther catalog.
The Defense Intelligence Agency's Small Caliber Ammunition Identification Guide. German ammunition section (213kb) or the entire document (10.1Mb).
Small arms section of the Handbook on German Military Forces.
Pricing ofStoeger's Mod HPs and Lugers(1948).
Stoeger's guide to World War II pistols circa 1948 (page 1, page 2).
Miscellaneous
A baker's dozen of Walther post-war slide legend variations(this is far from all-inclusive).
Here's what a P.38 frame looks like before the machining process begins.
Walther Manurhin Pp Serial Numbers
Information Exchange Pursuant to the OSCE Document on Small Arms and Light Weapons 2003, 2008, 2010. Note in 2002 the United States was by far the largest importer of German 'Revolvers and Self-Loading Pistols' with 1,040,985 imported (of 1,082,797 - the balance of 41,812 or about 4% going to 20 other countries), while the Germans destroyed only 5,666 'surplus' pistols. In 2009 the US imported none and 17,520 surplus pistols were destroyed (none were exported to any country). See Annexes 2 and 3.
Patent Information
Walther Pp Serial Ranges
Fritz Walther's 'automatic pistol,' patent number 2135992 dated November 8, 1938 (English).
Fritz Walther's 'automatic firearm,' patent number 2145328 dated January 31, 1939 (English).
Walther Serial Numbers
Walther pistol patents 1926 to 1942 (German).
Patent | Date | Page Number | ||||
433937 | Sept. 1926 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 |
664926 | Sept. 1938 | 1 | 2 | 3 | ||
677094 | June 1939 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 |
678067 | July 1939 | 1 | 2 | 3 | ||
706038 | May 1941 | 1 | 2 | 3 | ||
715176 | Dec. 1941 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 |
721702 | June 1942 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 |
722332 | July 1942 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 |
726501 | Oct. 1942 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 |
Interarms was a long-time importer of products from Walther and many other manufacturers. Browse some of their catalogs here.
1989 Interarms catalog.Walther pistols and target rifles, Rossi, Astra, bolt action rifles and barreled receivers, and more. 5' by 7' catalog. | 1976 Interarms catalog. Walther & Mauser pistols, revolvers, bolt-action rifles, ammunition, optics and accessories. 8.5' by 11' catalog. |
The 1979 Interarms catalog features one of the last Mauser offerings, the HSc American Eagle, and the Parabellum. Complete line of Walther pistols plus revolvers, long guns from Walther and others, revolvers, and more. 8.5' by 11' catalog. | The 1983 Interarms catalog features the Mauser cartridge counter Luger, Walther pistols and target rifles, SIG, Star, and Astra pistols, rifles, dragoons, and SVW45 & SVW46 P.38s. 8.5' by 11' catalog. |
1985 Interarms catalog featuring Walther presentation pistols, Walther target rifles and pistols, Astra, Star and SIG-Sauer pistols, the Steyr AUG rifle, etc. 8.5' by 11' catalog. | 1995 Interarms catalog. Walther PP series, P38, TPH, and P5. Also Star, Rossi, No. 3 Enfields, and Norinco. 8.5' x 11' catalog. Download the PDF. |